The Liminalist # 92: The Real Inconvenient Truth (with Mari H)

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Return conversation with Mari H, on feeling semi-suicidal, Fukushima, identifying with the collective, public indifference, Pizzagate & the Podesta emails, James Alefantis & Comet Pizza, slicing pizza fine, Majestic Ape & the hipster-satanic culture, the joke-codes of sociopathic society, drug culture and pedo-culture,  finding the subculture & gaining access, Hampstead ritual abuse, the debunking program, average incapacity to face the truth, distrusting institutions, levels of denial, nuclear chit-chat at parties, a nuclear winter overnight, the way we are, fragmentation and denial, the last stages of society, contempt for life, what’s behind indifference, ancestral compulsions, an ancestral egregore of evil intent, the goal of non-accountability, knowledge of the afterlife, Bohemian Grove and the cremation of care, how do sociopaths sleep at night, voluntary possession, remorseless fragments, MKULTRA alters, ruthless bosses, uncoupling from conscience, a narcissistic drive, a world of traps, businessmen, slaves, & addicts, the pathless path of surrender, a TV addiction, patterns of need, parenting the fragments, Pizzagate culture, negative individuation, sitting with the fidget, the collapse of civilization, life in Hell, aligning with the divine, the mind’s demotion, original traumas, peace & despair, the damnation of the mind, the vastness of death approaching, the hope for peace, becoming at home in hell.

Songs:  “The Kommema and his Religion” by SunWalker; “Don’t Be So Cynical,” by The Arrogants; “Sisterized” by De Neueve; “Overthrow” by Joel Gion.

22 thoughts on “The Liminalist # 92: The Real Inconvenient Truth (with Mari H)”

  1. Sadly (or embarrassingly) i am the first person to leave a comment BUT i just wanted to say, not sure if i get to it, that it seems, personally, the ONLY thing left to do is meet all the unresolved unconscious ancestral trauma and – with a little luck and time, resolve it. Buddhists call it “completion”, that any thing incomplete continues it’s search for completion. My rationale is that somewhere there must be light? It’s the only thing left worth attempting…one wonders how one can ever be complete in a world such as this….

    I was in the post office queue the other day (the dreaded post office queue) and i overheard an elderly chap sort of foist upon the cashier (who clearly wasn’t very interested) “i am free of the cancer” i thought it telling, no you’re not, was my thought, WE are not, you might be able to cut it out your body, zap it with chemicals and radiation, seek recognition for it, but the cause is still very much alive. So yes, everyone does know about pizzagate, about Fukushima without the slightest conscious awareness, like the splinter in the mind – because our body is the earth, our inner child is the child being tortured, our vileness is the perpetrator and ‘no man can be free until every man is free’. When i read about Jimmy so-vile i knew i already knew, the hand just fit the glove (if that isn’t to hideous a metaphor) the mind got it’s clarity and a narrative for that which the body already uncomfortably knew. I feel my psychosis (discussed last convo), my identification with JS, being him, was all about dealing with and meeting the perpetrator aspect, perhaps the hardest to face.

    PS you’re the only person who got the Marta Hari connection. A scapegoat, which i feel to be, i fancy having a t-shirt printed up with Scapegoat written on the back.

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  2. Well that was heavy, but apropos to my current state of mind. The word desolation comes to mind after hearing this. As always it seems you’re tracking me, in some weird, synchronous way, Jasun. And you touched on eschatology and the afterlife but shied away from fully exploring the ramifications from a Christian theological perspective. It does seem to me that the veil has been lifted and we are being shown the extent of depravity and evil in the world.

    My dilemma is how to interpret all of these happenings. Cognitively, I can understand that I’m estranged in some way from the source, from the grace of God. Experientially, below the neck, I’m numb, self-concerned and isolated. In truth my thinking is motivated out of fear. Fear of what will become of me in this life and the next. I’m not in such good shape spiritually and it’s hard for me to summon the will to move forward and attempt salvation, wherever that may be found. It’s all an act of faith, so where do we place our bet?

    You both spoke about the materialism and nihilism of the hipster and the Left in general, though neo-liberalism is an economic rather than political or cultural descriptor. In my opinion it would be more accurate to describe the current memeplex as progressive liberalism transitioning to technocracy. Which is to to say we are being heavily, racially and socially sculpted, herded and policed because current technology has made such soft totalitarianism possible. In an age when the masculine, most specifically the European (white), is demonized, ridiculed and despised in pursuit of some imagined, coffee coloured (yes the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan for mass miscegenation is real, the adverts and movies are memeing this to the max), egalitarian utopia, where all differences are either reconciled or eradicated, it is no wonder the world is out of whack. Trump, for all the hopes pinned on him by the army of basement bound NEETs, is no Putin, and Putin is not Marcus Aurelius, but is a step in the Right direction.

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  3. ” In an age when the masculine, most specifically the European (white), is demonized, ridiculed and despised in pursuit of some imagined, coffee coloured (yes the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan for mass miscegenation is real, the adverts and movies are memeing this to the max), egalitarian utopia, where all differences are either reconciled or eradicated, it is no wonder the world is out of whack.”

    The above sentence is worth combating. For example, miscegenation won’t result in a monolithic, “coffee coloured [sic]” race because of the variability of dominant genes–a white and black pairing may produce some white offspring. So, don’t worry, white males, although demonized, won’t be colorized as well, Ted Turner notwithstanding. I wistfully note the obsession with melanin and all that it connotes in some minds. Why can’t it be seen for what it is, objectively speaking, an evolutionary adaptation allowing the first humans to live in the tropical zone without dying from solar radiation. This also means that the “coffee coloured” peoples were once the only type of humans. Whiteness was an adaptation that came later, when said people migrated into non-Tropical, frigid zones with less solar exposure.

    The world being out of whack is hardly a new state of affairs, as history demonstrates.

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  4. @Joris
    You may be so superficial as to flippantly dismiss the concerns of others in regards to racial engineering as being merely skin deep, but the implications will be more far reaching. And anyway, racial IQ disparities apart, the very concept of Europe being the laboratory for elites to be carrying out some dysgenic experiment ought to appall any sane, spiritually and culturally healthy person. The coffee coloured reference was just my paraphrasing this by the way:

    ‘The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. ‘

    Couldenhove-Kalergi

     «Praktischer Idealismus»

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  5. @Joe

    Please enlighten my superficial mind: Couldenhove-Kalergi? Explain the reference, please. What evidence do you have for racial engineering by the European elites? How can you be confident in such a sweeping statement about the future of humanity? Predictions about the future are usually wrong even when based on evidence, but the prediction you quoted is not based on any evidence and so is even more likely to be a fantasy. Also, Europe is not racially monolithic and has not been for several thousand years. The Eurasian-negroid race is a fiction and do we really know what the Ancient Egyptians looked like apart from there idealized temple paintings and sculpture?

    Here’s a friendly suggestion: read history, study science, particularly genetics and anthropology, and learn to reason from facts. You can have your “exalted” culture and spirituality to yourself; I, for one, gladly pass it by!

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  6. Correction: “The Eurasian -negroid race is a fiction and do we really know what the Ancient Egyptans looked like apart from their idealized temple paintings and sculpture?”

    Joe, I believe you’re a true believer who has found a galvanizing religion based on racial purity and local culture. I sympathize with you because I believe that diversity is threatened by globalization, not by miscegenation, and that peoples who once had their identities bolstered by their local traditions are feeling threatened by immigrant invasions of people who do not look like them, or respect their culture, or speak their language. In that sense, it could be that European elites, such as Merkel in Germany, have allowed massive, uncontrolled immigration into their countries without regard to the people who live there and whose history goes back hundreds of years. There are many causes for this, one of them being the U.S.’s foreign policy in the Middle East, but that’s another story. (It’s ironic, but understandable, that Germany has taken the liberal, humanitarian approach to immigration. Understandable in the light of the history of the Third Reich and its notion of racial purity to the point of mass genocide of those who were not pure!)

    To avoid this turning into a back-n-forth between you and me, and probably boring other readers of this blog, this is the last time that I will talk to you about this issue. You’re welcome to your beliefs that I think are too extreme and not based on facts. Bye.

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  7. @Joe

    I read your first message more closely and sense that you are quite anguished. Although I still don’t agree with you that whites male are being demonized or that the mixed-raced Austrian count’s vision will come to pass–yes, I read Wikipedia on Coudenhove-Kalergi, an influential propagandist for European union–I can see that you were sincerely expressing a spiritual malaise that you feel. I apologize for the aggressive, flippant manner that I rebutted your worries about miscegenation and the eradication of diversity. I don’t share those worries since I question why hasn’t miscegenation and the homogenization of humanity already occurred? A few empires were positioned to achieve it, the Alexandrian and Roman empires come readily to mind, but it didn’t happen! Your comment could be extrapolated to imply that the reason is because those ancient civilizations did not have a technocracy capable of achieving the soft totalitarianism required to achieve the vision expressed in the Coudenhove-Kalergi quotation. Fair enough. But I think even with technocracy, it will take a very long time to arrive at C-K’s end point. Are you that invested in a distant and unlikely future? Why?

    It seems that your spiritual anguish needs to be addressed by something closer to your present life and reality. It might even be a good idea to stop listening to the adverts, movies, and memes and just quietly, calmly reflect on your actual life and how finite it is, our common mortal fate. Take care.

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  8. I haven’t read all these back & forth closely but I don’t see how anyone can argue that there isn’t an ongoing demonization of, or at least prejudice against, white people and especially white males in the media. I don’t experience it directly myself, that’s true, as compared to if I was a Native American living in the small town I live in. But I do see evidence of it all the time (eg: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4035358/The-oh-trendy-diversity-rules-mean-Bond-never-win-Baftas-today-Organisation-introduces-new-guidelines-means-movies-meet-criteria-qualify-awards.html) so I sympathize with Joe’s concerns. I also happen to think racial integration, or whatever we are going to call it, the eradication of clear racial distinctions, is part of the push towards disembodiment and disconnect from our ancestral metasouls.

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  9. Hi Jasun,

    I’m puzzled about race, and should take my own advice to Joe and read how the science of anthropology defines it. According to Galinsky, a classical scholar at the University of Texas, the ancient Greeks and Romans did not use skin color to make racial distinctions; distinctions among peoples were made on the basis of language and culture. He notes that racial distinction based on skin color is a recent phenomenon originating with the rise of the English empire in the 17th-century, and was instumental to the English and Scottish trade in black slaves as a way of instilling feelings of inferiority in order to control a population that outnumbered their masters.

    It’s possible, then, that maintaining clear racial distinctions is a way of demonizing groups of people in order to control them. What you call “ancestral metasouls,” I would simply call one’s tradition, again based on language, culture, and history, not skin color, although that would tend to fall in line too, I suppose.

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  10. I’ve begun to follow up on my intention to educate myself on what science says about race, and to that end I’ve found a clearly written short article on the _Pychology Today_ blog, https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/busting-myths-about-human-nature/201204/race-is-real-not-in-the-way-many-people-think.

    The gist is that although there is no biological basis of race, race does have a biological impact in that as a social construct it can bar groups of people from decent health care, education, economic advantages, etc. The example I gave of using skin color as an indicator of race to mark out a population as being inferior for the purpose of controlling them would be an example of race as a social construct. Furthermore, in the spirit of these podcasts, one could say that race is one of the most effective tools of social engineering!

    On skin color, the article usefully asserts that it is merely an index of the percentage of your ancenstry that lived nearer or further from the equator. The article concludes with a list of useful scientific papers on race, some of which I intend to read.

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  11. This is that last time that I will ever talk about race in these podcast comments. t’s a fascinating can of worms. Anyway, this massive Wikipedia article indicates that not all scientists are on board with the Psychology Today article I referenced in the comments, but tend toward a combination of biological cum social construct theory of race. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28human_categorization%29

    That may be a more balanced view. Alas, ancestral metasouls don’t get a mention.

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  12. @Joris
    Read the following it the light of this: I responded to the podcast after I’d listened to it late at night and it was perhaps a little bit over Oprahesque. Jasun has that effect on me. It’s because I’ve been listening to him for a quite a few years now and his confessional style of podcasting is very disarming. Sometimes i forget, as i did then, that like you, he does’t know me from Adam and so it’s all a bit of a one way street.

    You say you’re puzzled about and that you give advice or ‘combat’ assertions about a subject that you have little or no knowledge about. Later, on the basis of just a few paragraphs written by a complete stranger, you manage to identify a learning deficit, diagnose a pathological condition and prescribe a course of action for said stranger. You magically discern that I, apparently, don’t read enough books, yet your first port of call to educate yourself is Wikipedia and Psychology Today. I could go on, but that alone ought to keep you busy enough with your own self-reflecting.

    In regards to Alexander the Great and the Roman Empire not creating a great melting pot, well perhaps that’s because the Age of Enlightenment, and the Age [cult] of egalitarianism, came a few centuries later. The creation of a global citizen is the ideological dream of progressive liberals, not red blooded conquerors. In actual fact, according to recent DNA studies the only things Romans left behind were great roads, not great genes. Perhaps mating with those savage Briton wenches was not considered to be good eugenics. If you consider race a can of worms, then perhaps you’re a little too enlightened for a poor uneducated oik like me. I could say more, but I’ve got to goose step to the shop to buy some brussel sprouts for Christmas. There will be no more forthing from me.

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  13. The first five minutes of listening to Mari always leaves me reaching for the “bug out bag ” ( priceless keeper!) then i am always pleasantly surprised by the depth and nuance of her discourse and insight .
    If the fuel rods at Fukushima become uncovered , there wont be an explosion , just a silent and invisible deadly release of lethal amounts of radiation which would necessitate the evacuation of Tokyo and maybe the entire island of Honshu . Possibly this should already have happened , and they may just be saying “fuck it, too late “.
    The wife and i were just reflecting on our farm amd garden and its relevance as a psychic metaphor for integration . Just when we have weeded the fucker and have it looking pristine spring rolls around and we are back to the start of the ritual again . Without doubt this is depressing and spring is the most depressing time , but we intuitively refuse to get off the wheel , and this cultivates in us the warrior mentality that ” while ever we have bodies we will never give up the fight and the struggle”, to remain conscious , to integrate . We will never give up the spiritual war within which we find ourselves enmeshed. No doubt that too, is a Horcrux or fragment .

    Helmut

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    • hi there – as i understand it (and im no scientist) it is if they touch, if they are hit by another tsunami or earthquake that they cold exploded. i imagine the uncovering thing has already happened yes and so i am assuming cancer rates worldwide are going to skyrocket, to like account for 90% of the mortality rate over the coming years. All guesswork and not too educated either, so i could be very wrong – i hope i am! It is however a very disturbing phenomenon. Glad you were pleasantly surprised and didnt dig yourself a bunker!

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  14. Just had a thought that most wars are fragment versus fragment , “Deutschland” embodied by its Horcrux Fuhrer defeated by “mother russia” with her Stalin .
    I guess the project of this blog and its ongoing investigation into the stenchy symbol of pizza gate is to uncover the name of this fragment that is currently attempting to hijack the world .
    Science, technology , the market and consumerism are its henchmen , but those at Auticulture can see they are merely the outer court for something far more terrifying and perhaps much older ?
    . This search is leading me to Girard , Elaine Pagels, William Irwin Thompson and ancient Babylon .
    What is it , what is its nature ? , this No 1 Rogue Death Star

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  15. HI Panther,

    The name of this fragment is “The Technosphere,” according to Dmitly Orlov’s latest book “Shrinking the Technosphere.” We humans, at least those willingly and proudly accepting the mission to serve the technosphere, are its tools. It knows no limits to endless growth, meaning eradication of the biosphere, hence the sixth extinction, erroneously seen has caused by humans. Humans who are embedded and serve the technosphere are doing so in a strictly non-human capacity, merely lending their human abilities and intelligence to a vast, inhuman machine, like banks and corporations. Some of the many current manifestations? GMOs, nuclear facilities, and, most ominously, artificial intelligence and nano-technology. The impacts of these technologies are far-reaching and of unknown , pervasive destruction of life on this planet.

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