Over at the Rigorous Intuition forum, as some of you know, I continue to address (if not fend off) a seemingly endless dirge of denials, deflections, and dissemblings around #Pizzagate. As I wrote there, it’s a bit like RI has turned into CTR. (Thread link.)
Seeing all of this fervent activity at the board, the more or less ceaseless effort to shut down, derail, or redirect the discussion (I am currently being accused of “hate speech”), the loose and sweeping theories, and the consistent avoidance of most or all of the more cogent arguments being made, is actually a rare and golden opportunity. We are seeing glamor magic/perception management in action by its effects.
I think the main effort at the RI board is to bombard the discussion with derision and denial relentlessly enough that it inspires, or obliges, mimesis. It’s basically bullying aimed to intimidate those who are merely questioning the narrative, either into ceasing to do so and siding with the deniers (with their rather sad excuses for debunking), or double and triple down and start defending positions that we don’t actually hold.
If every attempt to say “Look at this” is met with a “Nothing to see here, grow the fuck up,” the temptation is to TELL people what they should be seeing, overstate it, hyperbolize it out of all proportion, and so confirm the bias of the bullies and earn our whupping.
Pizzagate undoubtedly contains a weaponized component, but so do a lot of these stories and ideas. We all have our own investments in the conflict over our reality. The importance and nature of “truth” to that investment varies depending on your perspective
Discussion of the Clintons, Bushes, Kissinger, royal families, and associates need not be Manichean, in fact it had better not be if we are to rise above Icke/Jones style conspiratainment.
It’s hard to deny that these figures play an important SYMBOLIC, one might almost say “magical” role that differentiates them from the run of the mill “elite”
The MSM is full of talk of armed retaliation against anyone who questions their narratives on subjects like Pizzagate. I’d be more worried about that than a bunch of hot air from people who have a track record of hardly ever doing anything…
My guess as to why so much energy and denial is going into this topic here and elsewhere is that it is simply too close to home. At least one poster at RI claims to have eaten at Comet Ping Pong, but even without such concrete examples of the familiarity of the hunting ground, this is no longer an attempt to scrutinize the predations of the elite but to see how the culture of totems and taboos, of control and permissiveness, created by these same elite has now so thoroughly owned us. Until they have sufficiently extricated themselves from it, at a deeper emotional, psychological, energetic level, people will fight to the death to defend that culture, and never fully realize what it is they are defending.
The rubber of conspiracy theory just met the road of cultural reality, and right now, there’s a whole lot of yelling and barfing going on.
In the poll I created at RI (“What Is #Pizzagate?”), the second most selected option is “A Glimpse into Pedo-Culture in Washington, DC.” Someone at my Faceborg page said “the world” would be a better descriptor. So how particular is that? What I am wholly convinced of is that the circumstantial evidence associated with #Pizzagate shows a collective awareness of and complicity with organized abuse of children among those responsible for this “messaging.” The complicity and approval reaches the extent of making jokes (and so-called “art”) about it with what looks like a sense of godlike impunity and snickering insider knowledge that only the initiated-hip know how good this shit really is. The apparent fact this sick, slicker hipster-insider culture overlaps with the hip, slick art scene and the hip, slick entertainment scene, and hence the world of at least some post-ers at RI has to be considered relevant when examining the level of fear and denial around the subject: IMO.
At a certain point (a day or two ago), it became clear that the bulk of the “dismissal” of “#Pizzagate” at RI involves the defense of and the “nothing to see here” claim about a specific area of the culture, namely the LGBT area. Alefantis, Majestic Ape and these creepy pedo-advocates get a FREE PASS because they might be gay or transvestite or practice some of the paraphilias that have been culturally green-lit and are now being softly enforced, at least insofar as questioning them on psychological or moral grounds is ipso facto evidence of ignorant prejudice.
Amazing how that’s worked out isn’t it?
And yet, some of us know for a fact that the gay subculture overlaps in countless ways with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and every other squalid vice (unsanctioned paraphilia) we can imagine. It just does, and if we want to pretend it doesn’t because of our chosen value set, then we’ve just joined the ranks of useful idiots enabling the evils of the elite.
Like I said, here be the nub of the disagreement. A glimpse into pedo-culture in Washington DC (and the world) means recognizing how that culture has hidden itself inside other cultures, in order to safely move through and into our lives. One of those Trojan horse cultures is gay culture. I doubt I’d be bold enough to say that so plainly here, if we didn’t have an insider to that culture who’s been brave enough to speak out about this reality before.
Tetelestai. It is said. Let the heads roll where they may.
Of course I was attacked for this, and one of the first strategies applied was the standard straw man argument, in this case conflating my criticism of gay culture with an accusation against homosexuals themselves.
As I wrote, these are two different propositions that have some overlap but still can and need to be addressed separately, namely, the overlap between paraphilias and former or socially accepted paraphilias (or “paraphilias”), e.g., homosexuality and pedophilia; and (secondly) the question of how much LGBT culture has formed, or been formed (I’d say it’s a combination of both) partially as a cloak for . . . the sort of nasty shit under scrutiny at RI, at this blog, and elsewhere.
To be super-clear, and as far as I know based on all I have read and lived, most active (male) pedophiles are not (considered as) homosexual, BUT, they generally, statistically, prefer young boys. They are not considered homosexual because their preference is not for same-sex sex but for sex with children who happen to be boys (in their adult sex relations, they are usually heterosexual). Secondly, more importantly, their physical, emotional, and psychological gratification is less to do with sex per se than with power and dominance, with having someone under their complete control, i.e., they are sadists. (Strictly speaking, many, maybe even most, active pedophiles aren’t so much pedophiles as sadistic sexual predators; but anyway. The S & M subculture also overlaps with LGBT so strictly speaking sadism is now socially condoned and protected also.)
What I am getting at, then, is not so much an overlap between, or conflation of, homosexuality and sexual child abuse, but that sexual child abusers may adopt a homosexual identity, lifestyle, and culture set as a means to facilitate their desires. I would even say that they have, over time, co-created this culture set, engineered it, to that same end.
This is something that ought to be of concern to homosexuals, obviously; and it IS of concern to ones I know personally. IMO, a person’s sexual orientation should not in any way commit them to a given cultural set, any more than their skin color should.
It was after that post that the accusations of hate speech began and the “opposition” doubled down. Since there is no sense trying to break down ideological programming with people who are working within those same programs (the aims are diametrically opposed), I have since changed tact and tried to bring the focus back onto Comet Ping Pong and the still unrefuted evidence for malfeasance there.
I did find some relevant new(ish) data at reddit and Voat, and posted it today:
Leaving aside all the meta-analysis and non-too-subtle thought control for a moment (which is all quite convenient for any possible perps should there actually be any crimes occurring), there’s lots of excitement over at Voat over the connections literal and otherwise between CPP and Buck’s Fishing & Camping, which Alefantis also owns. (There are 4 restaurants there: Comet Ping Pong, Little Red Fox, Bucks Fishing and Camping, and Besta Pizza.)
CPP is listed as having two floors; as is BFC
http://www.propertyshark.com/mason/Prop … -DC-20008/
You can see in the pic these aren’t 2-story buildings. BFC has a basement, hence “two floors.”
Like Pastan, James Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong in D.C., doesn’t build his pizza sauce with DOP San Marzanos. For seven years, he has been buying late-harvest tomatoes from Toigo Orchards in Shippensburg, Pa., and canning them at nearby Stello Foods for use at Comet. Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck’s Fishing & Camping, Alefantis’ other restaurant nearby.
http://www.philly.com/philly/food/resta … looms.html
Others are saying that CPP & BFC are connected & that the proof is some of the CPP posters have said “access via BFC” ~ I don’t know if this is true or not but obviously it would be significant if it is.
I remember in one of the Comet Ping Pong social events, the flier said access to the party was through Buck’s Fishing and Camping. They are all physically connected.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com … for_james/
Another comment at same thread:
There’s a documentary called “Chickenhawk – men who love boys 1994′ They refer to pedos as “bucks” & an admitted pedophiles talks about taking children camping to have sex with them BUCKS FISHING AND CAMPING:
There’s also mention of the creepy BFC website pic, the site is down currently so I went to waybackmachine to see it. It’s certainly tacky, I don’t know if it quite sinks to the “creepy” level. Maybe for vegetarians?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160110152 … mping.com/
Is it unrelated that the site is currently down?
Anyhow, I’d say all of this adds up to a reason to … release the hounds of rigorous indignation again!?
Clearly there’s a concerted effort at RI to prevent any continued exploration of CPP, some of it probably benign if misguided, some of it not so benign. That’s fine; it’s evidence unto itself . . . of something. When the natives are getting as restless as this, it amounts to a strange, if distressing, form of confirmation that the bushes are being shaken.
For the record, as readers of this blog already know, I consider all culture to be a Trojan Horse. But if people don’t do their homework, they will always rely on ideology to do their thinking for them. Why? Because they just keep on inviting the Trojans in. It’s painful to watch. I’m just glad there are a lot more eyes on the RI board than there are pieces with mouths.
Knowing that the silent voices are also the strongest (or sanest) is probably what keeps me in the ring.
That said, if anyone feels like mucking in over there, now would be a great time for it!