The Liminalist # 64.5: A Willingness Not to Live the Dream (with Aaron Ciderbeard)


Second part of conversation with Aaron Ciderbeard on the pressure of psychedelics, a journey of wrongness, a common psychosis, grand visions and negative motivation, surviving environments as children, psychic annihilation, the “lost state of innocence,” the optimal experience, outside the temporal frame, a God alone, eternally regenerated sensation vs. old thoughts, the nag of the future, a child’s experience of time, an expanding cloud of moments, leaving the open cage of the mind behind, the meat-grinder mind, magnifying pain by trying to escape pain, drilling into enlightenment, the riddle of consciousness, Kripal’s traumatic secret, the importance of motivation, inventing trauma or locating trauma, what’s it like to be multiple, “Occult Yorkshire” and joining the dots of history, finding clues in our bodies, re-tutoring the guardian, the social mandate to let sleeping dogs lie, using psychedelics to hack the psyche, sitting in the emptiness, the many flavors of trauma, keeping under the regeneration threshold, the infinite portion, the paradoxical fruit, the ring-pass-not of the mind.

Songs: “El Mariachi” & “Monkey Said” by The Freak Fandango Orchestra; “It’s the Same Thing” by Nobody’s Bizness; “Mistress Song” by Fit & the Conniptions.

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  1. Jay
    Posted May 4, 2016 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Aaron – there’s no need to be in a drought; it’s mushroom season here in NZ.

    • Aaron
      Posted May 5, 2016 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

      Never been good at finding them. Any suggestions for someone living in Northland.

      • Jasun
        Posted May 5, 2016 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

        Have this particular conversation elsewhere pls. : )

  2. Moe
    Posted May 5, 2016 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Ha! Nice one. Happiness and truth aren’t the same thing! Boom.

  3. Jay
    Posted May 5, 2016 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    You wouldn’t want to BARK up the wrong tree.

  4. Kutamun
    Posted May 6, 2016 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    So Aaron mahn , do you have a younger brother ? Perhaps the answer lies there . You sounded a bit rattled about having to give up the infinite , hang up the spacesuit and come back to earth . Thanks for your honesty and i enjoyed your discourse . Lead them out of slavery and they will tell you the answer.

    • Aaron
      Posted May 8, 2016 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

      Hey Kutamun,

      Nope, no brothers. Thanks for listening anyways, hopefully provided something of interest to the liminalist community.

      • thwack
        Posted May 9, 2016 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

        You mean none you know of?

        • Aaron
          Posted June 12, 2016 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

          very true 😉 I did always wish i had a brother….

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