The Liminalist # 113.5: The Other Within (with David Curtis)

Part two of conversation with author David Curtis, on screen memory & abduction, Krishnamurti & Leadbeater, John Lily & altered state entertainment, meeting intelligence, Strieber’s broken voice, fragmentation & a history of conspiracy, crucial fictions, paid operatives in the APC, expressing the psyche, Jung on flying saucers, the exteriorized psyche, language as symptom of fragmentation, Dostoyevsky’s Prince Mishkin, Gurdjieff & self-remembering, the obstacle of the self, self-shaming on the spiritual quest, the problem of the world, entering the cloud of unknowing, layers of friendship, finding a connection, humanity to man, Zen poets, a trauma-world, locating the trauma, the voice of the body, a strangled cry, Kierkegaard & the primal scream, organic communication, relational animals, numinosity, the holy other, the threshold of the self, the poison of knowledge.

David’s books

Songs:  “The Kommema and his Religion” & “Of the Lakes” by SunWalker; Julia’s Brains, by Kirk Peason & Julia Egan; “Born to Follow” by Art of Flying.

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  1. joe
    Posted May 20, 2017 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    This was a difficult podcast to listen to. But medicine usually doesn’t usually tastes good. It seems like there seems to be some tail chasing on Mr. Curtis’s part. But, he was still well worth listening to.

  2. nanababanona
    Posted May 20, 2017 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    this was very thought provoking, in a completely different way. so i have to admit to listening at least 3 times, as i felt a bit puzzled. not complaining, on the contrary really. when the shoe’s on the other foot it helps me keep the ‘other’ in mind or, better still, in my heart. now that i think of it its embodiment of the other.
    in that vein i acknowledge how difficult it is to lay down one thing and begin anew, especially when that one thing has consumed us by way of energy, devotion and time . sometimes some of us can do this to the exclusion of other facets of our lives, perhaps even to our own detriment. when that is a choice we make freely the cost to one’s self can be either seen as a sacrifice or an obsession. i suppose the obvious question might be, “Who benefits?”
    at one point i wondered at the turn the conversion might take when david mentioned the risk he takes each time he walks. found myslef thinking of mr. hawking and his wheelchair on a walk in the forest, and the many risks, or heck, out and out detours that he might encounter before he could even attempt to have this risky experience. i am not making light of his own observation, just sharing my own. i heard david express a willingness to understand compassion, but not in the actual messy or forgiving, or churchy sense, i doubt it would amount to much more than intellectual fodder unless experienced on a more visceral level.
    i think we’d all agree that we don’t have to look far for the other, we don’t need gurus or teachers when we have each other. of course that’s so simplistic i’m almost embarrassed to see it written out.
    again, i thank you, for the pleasure of listening, born to follow was an exquisite choice.

  3. Mark
    Posted May 21, 2017 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    Enjoyable podcast. The Guest talks with a gentle authority that is detectable, and not just the usual conceited barrel of beleifs

  4. Steve
    Posted May 24, 2017 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Good stuff, as always. You do well, Jasun, with mixing it up in terms of guests, and this two-parter was no exception. Was sad to hear on a recent podcast that you plan to reduce the number of podcasts going forward. Your written work is always interesting, informative, and intriguing, but the podcasts are the most accessible form of communication, and, arguably, the least mediates of the two. Anyway, keep up the great work.

  5. Steve
    Posted May 24, 2017 at 7:09 pm | Permalink


  6. karen
    Posted May 26, 2017 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    A selection of just beautiful interviews.

    The metaphor in this interview, when referring to trauma, of the branch in the flow of the river which has snagged upon a rock is a gem I have taken away.

    On the whole in a world of media which is simply just baseless or tasteless and both, this site is a go-to place for quality interviews. Intelligent, thoughtful, provoking and sensitive.

    Thank you very much Jason – if I may refer to you as Jason.

    • Jasun
      Posted May 26, 2017 at 10:28 am | Permalink

      It’s Jasun. & you’re welcome; thanks for posting.

      • karen
        Posted May 28, 2017 at 2:50 am | Permalink

        Yes I realised after but no way to edit – I am sorry.

  7. Travis
    Posted May 31, 2017 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    -Love poem-

    The seeker of truth
    Is the king of fools

    He longs for nothing
    Into blissful something

    He sees his greatness
    He eats his own fecal

    God is nothingness
    Infinitely alone

    • Travis
      Posted June 8, 2017 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

      “When and ever a philosophy believes itself, it then reshape a the world in its image”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche, beyond good and evil

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