The Liminalist # 128.5: Enlightenment or Endarkenment (with Darren Westlund)

Part two of conversation with Darren Westlund, on Paul Bowles & the supernatural, the problem with Yoga in the west, extreme individualism of the West, do Arabs have an unconscious, the veneer of civilization, East vs. West, getting pulled back into the mind, early aptitude for dissociation, exhaustion from integration, suffering and spiritual “progress,” integrating unconscious matter, enlightenment and endarkenment, examining the wound, recontextualizing the suffering, Scientology’s hook, clearing engrams as mentalizing the trauma, abreaction, Taxi Driver-as-psyop, Taxi Driver vs. A Clockwork Orange, the new Barry Seal movie, Doug Liman and Mark Wahlberg as CIA assets, the breakaway civilization, the financial coup d’état of 2008.

David Foster Wallace & the Horror of Life,” by Darren Westlund. Audio reading of essay.

Songs:  “The Kommema and his Religion”  and “Of the Lakes,” by SunWalker; “When the Little people Come” by Dead Cinema.

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  1. Posted September 28, 2017 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    Oswald Spengler and Joris Karl, thanks for your kind comments in reference to Part 1 of my conversation with Jasun. I’ve found, to my chagrin, that I can’t speak about the topics I’m interested in with anywhere near as much precision as I can write about those same topics. The stuff about Barry Seal and Area 51 in Part 2 (above) was especially shaky, I thought. For the sake of clarity, here’s a bit about Seal from my latest book, Crash Gordon and the Illuminati Underground:

    “Admitted drug smuggler and alleged CIA operative, Adler ‘Barry’ Seal, maintained a fleet of cargo planes at the Mena, Arkansas airport from 1982 to 1986. FAA registration records have confirmed that the aircraft used in Seal’s smuggling operation had been previously owned by Air America—widely known as a CIA front company involved in drug trafficking in the Asia-Pacific region. Seal was a former member of Army Special Forces with ties to the CIA that went back to at least the early 1960s. In court and in congressional testimony, it’s been established that the CIA helped Seal install hidden cameras in one of his C-123 cargo planes to use in a sting operation against the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua in 1984, so the Reagan administration could drum up support for the Contras. Later, one of those same Seal-owned C-123 cargo planes—this one nicknamed Fat Lady—was shot down over Nicaragua with a load of untraceable weapons destined for the Contras. Documents found on-board the crashed cargo plane, seized by the Sandinistas, included flight logs linking the plane with Area 51—the top secret airbase in Nevada that’s used for developing black project weapons systems and experimental aircraft—including reverse-engineered Alien Replica Vehicles, if you believe some people, like John Lear and Bob Lazar. (…) The only survivor of Fat Lady’s crash, a 45-year-old former Marine named Eugene Hasenfus, told the Sandinistas that he and two of his coworkers—Max Gomez and Ramon Medina—had been working for the CIA. He later retracted that statement after he was returned to America at the request of U.S. Senator Chris Dodd—but the damage had been done. International news organizations started looking into what would soon become known as the Iran-Contra affair. One of the questions they should have been asking was: How much did the Clintons know about the crimes of Mena? The answer—according to CIA-asset-turned-whistleblower, Terry Reed, and investigative journalist, Daniel Hopsicker—is: A LOT. In exchange for his willingness to look the other way on Mena, Bill Clinton was given a big assist from the CIA in his meteoric rise to the presidency….”

    But Clinton wasn’t all bad… he might have helped kick off the Great American Crack Epidemic and he might have smoked cigars basted in Monica Lewinsky’s vaginal juices as a presidential morale booster, but he was also the kind of guy who would have breastfed puppies if he could, as in this clip:

    • Posted October 6, 2017 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

      American Made might be even more of a psy-ops skullfuck than Jasun and I had suspected. I can’t claim to be an expert on the subject of Barry Seal and Mena, but Daniel Hopsicker (author of Barry and The Boys) can. He comments on the movie in this podcast: (Skip ahead to the 49 minute mark if you want to start where Hopsicker comes in.) He also has something to say about the financing of Martin Scorsese’s The Wolf of Wall Street that I think Jasun might find interesting as an illustration of just how decadent Scorsese has become since his (debatable) artistic peak as the director of Taxi Driver.

      • Jasun
        Posted October 6, 2017 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

        will check it out, thanks. WoWS sucked.

  2. mikeb
    Posted September 28, 2017 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    correct link for that awesome song “When the Little People Come” by Dead Cinema :

    I think A Clockwork Orange tells you it’s a mind control artifact during Alex’s first treatment session. Alex is watching a “kubrick” version of ACO. I fell that Kubrick was always nice about telling you that you were being f*cked :

    ACO might take place in 1972, which was a big year for FCC deregulation, Rand Corp and the spread of TV :

    I liked American Made with Cruise. As far as one can “like” a modern film. It felt like “Operation Snow White Part II : The Movie Based on the Evidence”. Clinton/CIA/Reagan/Bush got their 39 lashes.

  3. JorisKarl
    Posted September 28, 2017 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Hi Darren,

    Thank you for the particulars re: the Seal-Area 51 connection (every time I hear Area 51 I’m reminded of a nightclub, now defunct, I used to frequent in Austin, TX called Area 52, or as a friend of mine liked to quip, Area Low IQ).

    A detail Icke didn’t mention: LACTATING, shape-shifting reptiles rule us all!

    • Jasun
      Posted September 30, 2017 at 9:22 am | Permalink

      the detail about lactating was in a dream i had; did I mention it somewhere?

      • Page
        Posted September 30, 2017 at 9:36 am | Permalink

        Episode # 90.5. Just re-listened to your recounting of the lactating reptilian dream just yesterday, funnily enough.

  4. Martin J
    Posted September 30, 2017 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Really excellent conversation. One of my favourites so far.

    • AG
      Posted October 1, 2017 at 2:30 pm | Permalink


      • Jasun
        Posted October 1, 2017 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

        Interesting. I thought I talked too much & didn’t give Darren room to make his own discoveries.

  5. JorisKarl
    Posted September 30, 2017 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    I was unaware of Jasun’s dream–just riffing off of Darren’s SNL link. Thanks Page, I’ll give the episode a listen.

    • Posted October 4, 2017 at 8:31 am | Permalink

      That lactating Bill Clinton sketch was written by Louis C.K. for The Dana Carvey Show back in 1996, actually. The show only ran for seven episodes before it was canceled due to its failure to appeal to a primetime audience, and Louis C.K. has said that particular sketch—the first sketch on the premiere episode, “The Taco Bell Dana Carvey Show”—probably screwed them right from the start. He laughs about it now…. I love how it ties in with Jasun’s dream of the lactating baby-eating reptilian underground from Episode #90.5, but I’d completely forgotten about that dream description until now—although I’m sure it must have been lurking (or, erm, lactating) in my subconscious all along.

      • JorisKarl
        Posted October 5, 2017 at 12:06 am | Permalink

        Thank you. Some of the early episodes are available complete online; I just watched The Mountain Dew Dana Carvey Show. I liked “The Eleven O’Clock News That’s Easy to Take” with kitten, puppy, parakeet and pony as props, and Bob Ross delivering an update on the Menendez brothers while painting their faces onto his signature soporific landscapes. That’s how I want my current events served up.

  6. Posted October 2, 2017 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Dear Jasun,

    I agree with the above assessments of this podcast- You seem to be hitting your stride once again inspite of your inner angst! Thanks for keeping this play going-and Darren is one ‘ enlightened’ dude>

  7. Ezra Sandzer-Bell
    Posted October 3, 2017 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    “do arabs have an unconscious”… whut??

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