Impromptu threeway chat with Dave Oshana & Martin Jolly. The following notes are very rough and may be out of order.
Jasun men’s group, the Embodiment Conference, trust issues, the need for chaos, personal construct psychology, the limits of therapy, staying unfixed, the changing face of Martin Jolly, honest, direct, & open, the scarcity of spiritual seekers in Dave group, an inquiry into expectations, before language, how Dave operates, ruined urine, why all teachings are septic, the protocol of the TEC, don’t box me in, freedom = no constraints, unhealthy doctors, meaning of embodiment, a smorgasbord of possibilities, the constraint of time, interaction vs. theory, increasing popularity, how groups work, intellectual content & the enlightenment transmission, the chip shaker, the wild animal of enlightenment, body language, allowing complexity, overrated reductionism, lossless Dave descriptions, why Dave doesn’t do conferences, am I a non-dualist, the commercialization of spirituality, the follies of Facebook, Martin’s re-wilding, the calming disruptor, Dave’s filtering, an endangered minority of the enlightened, taking on the identity, when three identities get together, the rise of the identities, whatever sets, rots, the identity’s benefits, JBP’s standoff, the thrift store, being freed by restrictions, reasons for restriction, removing inhibitions, the extremes of human conditioning
Dave’s disruptive vibration, an out of time present, oscillations & magnetic fields, disruption & preservation, waves of probability, cleaning indeterminacy, indeterminant hermaphrodites, mirages & memory, freedom from predetermination, off-the-peg identities, muscle-testing penises, bringing the dark to the light, who makes it into the field, what the wives know, sent by proxy
A profound oddness, an acting oracle, what MaJo brings through, away from otherness, nods and winks, unembodied knowledge, the core of divine timing, the underlying correspondence, eternal peaches, why Dave can’t talk about certain things, the problem with teachings, premature exposure to knowledge, words distort apperception of truth, billiard balls in a sock, using words how they weren’t designed to be used, the set of all things, philosophy nonsense, words have connections, the pain of thinking, reorganizing piles of pain, therapy’s minefield, plant language, an alien biology, moving through syntax, an unconstrained expression, the fixed faces of adulthood,
Ancestral restoration, the Horsley clan, door-stopping Woody Allen, writer’s diarrhea, emigrating to Spain, signing 16 Maps of Hell, insanity in New York, the calming forest, a bum scan, Spanish retreats, JaHo’s audience, pleasing therapists, Oshana ambassador work, what it takes to become a made Liminalist, Dave’s appeal to listeners.
Podcast artwork by Martin Joly
Songs: “Go Down to the Door” and “Moon Rising” from Paul Lyons. Outtakes: “Place for Joy” from This Jacket is Yours.