Return conversation with Martin Jolly
Part One: When Inner Meets Outer (0 – 30 mins)
Editing the bullshit, the last podcast, language and the mind, being in Nature, interest in body vs interest in mind, waiting for the sun, the overlap between inner and outer, drawing from imagination vs drawing from life, the universal offering, the possibilities of writing nonfiction, different guests on The Liminalist, Dave Oshana’s changing expressions.
Part Two: The Defeat of Language (30 mins – 1 hr 6 mins)
Evolving podcast, opportunities for new experience, informed by nature, 16 Maps of Hell, books as openings, the problem of Alex Jones, signalling over a gulf, sending out tendrils, indirect methods of induction, the body’s waves, retreating to the false inner, psychedelics, getting to the bedrock, nodes of consciousness, CS Lewis’ That Hideous Strength, grand metaphysical visions, Rudolph Steiner, the finality of the infinite, being forged by God, the scaffolding of concepts, a sense of time, a deeper sensation, defeating the mind, an artist’s optical tools.
Part Three: Connecting to the Sun (1 hr 6 – 1 hr 33 mins)
A subtle distinction, the spiritual con, a sense of waiting, learning to relax, Charles Upton, the value of orthodox religion, time in the hearth, delivery of the essential life, a lifetime of derealization, the poor man’s time, finding faith, connecting to the sun, the earthly counterpoint, a fixation on verticality, the advent of manned flight, the meaning of skeletons, traveling into space, transhumanism & the sense of inner material potential, trapped on the earth, watching the earth die.
Part Four: In the Care of Angels (1 hr 33 mins – 2 hrs 7 mins)
The fundamental error, surviving free will, C S Lewis’ cosmology, God’s law, when archangels respond, the path of error & appreciation, desensitizing the body, moral sensitivity, little angels, connecting to child selves, the first seven years, how memory is stored, a lost treasure, accessing life force, a gap in the identity, nightmares of enumeration, the penetration of language, the energy of a separation.
Part Five: A Shift of Allegiance (2 hrs 7 mins – end)
A universal template for despair, a collision between sensation & mind, a never-ending array of categories, discussing entities, counting angels on pinheads, the oppression of the soul’s experience, breathing other people’s farts, becoming doormats, Dave Oshana’s boundaries, a shift in allegiance, the horror of identity, the true purpose of the narrator, the destruction of an abstraction, conspiratainment, QAnon & recasting oneself in history, the appeal of Alex Jones.
Podcast artwork by Martin Jolly