The Liminalist # 278: The Lost Etymology of God (Reading Rudolph Steiner # 3)

Continuing exegesis of Rudolph Steiner, talking bees, Anthroposophical eggregores, dead souls in the blood, animal instincts & angelic imagery, & an age of sexual debasement.

Part One: Anthroposophy Rehab (0 – 8 mins)

From Limestone to Lucifer, Steiner advocates for a one-world sun religion, the beginnings of disenchantment, Anthroposophy rehab, a cultural spiderweb, second matrices & bardo realms.

Part Two: A Non-Linear Infinity (8 mins – 39 mins)

The thing about bees, a childhood encounter, the advanced wisdom of the bee collective, beehives & human brains, man dreams of being a bee, bee-saving in Guatemala, the power of honey, Dave O & the hive-soul, what humans do, dead souls in the blood, purifying baser instincts, the element where the dead live, why bees don’t have sex, the transubstantiation of the libido, the spiritual world, a necessary reversal, why we don’t perceive the dead, the head as reversal of body, constant communication with the dead, the gateway to the nonphysical, into the deep, a non-linear infinity, the eternal here & now, the inside & the outside, an infinite variety of responses.

Part Three: Between the Animal & the Angel (39 mins – 1 hr 14 mins)

The meaning of aging, feeling our way to God, inner support, the futility of lies, a delusional monotheism, worshiping the I, the lost etymology of God, natural cycles of human growth, numbers as states of being, facing reality, Dave O on truth as a bodily experience, the utility of facts, what we think about reality, the unequivocal goodness of discovery, the fantasy of a Universe, unconscious projections of the formless, God the incomprehensible, stripping God & reifying the Universe, the modern priestcraft, walking the Earth, a problematic relationship with Nature, the hierarchy of the seraphim, the role of angels, imaginative perception, angelic imagery into the astral, divine flickers, the inception of human reality, 16 Maps of Hell, corporate totems, visionary dreams, a war in the soul, an angel-directed future, universal fellowship.

Part Four: Spiritual Automatons (1 hr 14 mins – 1 hr 38 mins)

Evidence of angels, human sleepyheads, pushing spiritual science, the necessary ingredients for cult dogma, three changes, inspiring impulses, a sudden enhanced interest in humans, the hallmark of true Christianity, the coming event, Luciferic & Ahrimanic beings, clairvoyant automatons, alien elements, arrested free will, sleeping through the revelation, spiritual matrices as cults, the Steiner lens on Strieber & John de Ruiter as Lucifer-bound spiritual automatons, a core lack of integrity, Whitley the puppet, slave to memes, terrorists who hate freedom, rooting Steiner in the experiential.

Part Five: (1 hr 38 mins – end)

Angels work in our absence, instinctive insights, dangerous sexual awakening, a rebellion against fellowship, a spectrum of knowledge reception & processing, how the transmission guides us, the liberation & debasement of human sexuality in culture, Frank Booth übermensch, the Crowley end of the spectrum, consensual cannibalism, a cultural-sexual clusterfuck, natural science’s indifference, the devils of instinct, a boost of harmful medicines, calling the sick healthy, uber-tech, a rough awakening, the age of the deep-fake, the powerlessness of the word, eurhythmy of the larynx, when the body becomes the word, the Logos in history, reconnecting to Christ, the sound that kills, the human context, the emasculating influence of words, eurhythmy, a trail of crumbs, facing the Minotaur, becoming formless, leaving the map of syntax.

Alternate audio for Liminalist # 274: We Need to Talk About Lucifer (Reading RS # 2):


Songs: “Primitive” by Joy Zipper; “My Ground Brakes Clank” by Tendon Levey; “The Inhuman” by The Mekons; “Almeira” by Federale; “Hundred Hills” by Widow’s Ride; “Dogwood” by Terry Allen.

5 thoughts on “The Liminalist # 278: The Lost Etymology of God (Reading Rudolph Steiner # 3)”

  1. All things being possible , I see no reason why the Lucerferic forces could not be of a collective consciousness origin, archetypal.
    After all human mental energy has been charging that battery for eons.

    In any case , the way in which Steiner paints the picture only the rare individual would venture out into those treacherous parts unknown.
    Which perhaps is why those places beyond are scarcely visited by the living.
    I loved going on your walk.

  2. Hi Jasun,

    I hope you don’t mind me needing to respond to some items in your wonderful commentaries. I agree by and large with most of what you say, although here and there certain aspects of anthroposophy feel forced into a mold that doesn’t quite fit.

    I haven’t revisited the Lucifer/limestone lectures to rethink but I was surprised to hear the disturbance in your voice concerning the ‘religion’ of Christ and the Sun god idea. I am sure it is possible that he put it rather bluntly there as he did take the liberty of not giving careful preparation to an idea in those talks all the time. But in general Steiner really wasn’t into the idea of a religion of any kind – notwithstanding being a guide for the creation of the Christian Community: Movement for Religious Renewal.

    He certainly does not practice a Christianity! If we are taking him at face value, then his direct spiritual experience obviates any need for an atavistic orientation – which all religions then are – to the spiritual world. His orientation is scientific. He is experiencing perceptions phenomenologically and carefully forming those experiences into as clear a scientific formulation as possible.

    The irony of course, is that this is probably why so many people are being drawn to this guy – as you mention later in the podcast (with a bit of a sigh I might add, ha!)

    It is interesting to me that if the fundamental idea of the Evolution of Consciousness is taken seriously, then in every epoch of human civilization, we would have to try very hard to fathom the existential condition of human souls – and in this case, specifically with regard to What Was Knowledge For that Form of Consciousness?

    I think an argument can be made that, at every point, what was experienced as a ‘common sense’ was that period’s ‘science.’ Nowadays, it isn’t so much that people ‘believe science’ as it is that they find the formulation of the concepts of the phenomenal world we all share that are generated by science to simply be the most self evident. And this has been true throughout all of human history. All knowledge was ‘scientific’ in this common sense argument.

    So if gods were talked about, and the forces of the spiritual world experienced in this times in plants and earth and animal etc. and ‘religion’ formulated those common experiences and they were shared and discussed amongst the people, it simply was the science of its day. Yet for us, of course, it sounds hocus pocus and superstitious. And, indeed, as the evolution of consciousness proceeded, many of those originally vital and real orientations were maintained by traditions that became entrenched, even though the evolution of consciousness had moved on. And as it moved on, the phenomenal world changed, and the thinking about that now new world was formulated ‘scientifically’ etc. and became the next world view shared by all.

    And we simply have the same process in its new form – well, Steiner precisely argues that this form has now slid into the traditional modes mentioned above more and more. With his re-awakened organs of perception in the etheric and astral bodies he holds forth on a new phenomenal world that he then ‘scientizes’ so to say, ha! In that world, the nature of the Christ has an objective position that has absolutely nothing to do with religion. One of his lectures is even entitled, “Christianity began as a religion, but is greater than all religion” since it is the vital forces brought by the being that shall pull us out of the darkness of religions. After all, there is only science as far back into the past as you want to go. Religion, in this context, is always the sclerotic remains of a vital, existential ‘scientific’ experience of humanity at a point in time, that has become organized, scleroticized, materialized even, and mundanely human (in the negative sense of that word).

    • thanks Dale; two points:

      >although here and there certain aspects of anthroposophy feel forced into a mold that doesn’t quite fit.

      like Procrustes’ bed? Keep in mind that for me there is no “anthroposophy,” only Rudy’s insights, which I take one by one and chew on & then if I can, swallow, observe my digestive responses, and examine the stool at the other end. No wonder if they don’t quite look the same by the time I am done with them!

      The Sun worship thing was slightly alarming not because I thought that it became central to anthropology, since I haven’t seen much evidence of that, but merely because it was so complementary and compatible with large-scale cultural/spiritual engineering programs (eg, as described in the documentary Zeitgeist).

      I continue to be astonished by Steiner’s output (via your own efforts) & outreach.


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