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Saturday’s “Spring-Break to Eternity” was the most densely populated Liminalist event to date and covered a range of topics, from Dave Oshana to the human and sociopolitical adaptations to the so-called Corona Virus. The above podcast is a collection of dialogues on that last subject.
As a separate audio, here’s a clip in which I discuss my interest in Dave Oshana and why your interest in Dave matters to me:
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The last Dave event was a joyous and vibrant affair; watching back my own event from the day before, I couldn’t help but be humbled by the contrast in the levels of life force energy and sheer exuberance on display in Dave’s presentation compared to my own. I suppose some people don’t respond to someone as obviously alive and filled with joy as Dave is, however. I seem to attract souls who are struggling with heavy loads, as I have myself over the decades. And of course, ebullience isn’t necessarily correlative with life force or joy.
There are people who are quite ebullient but also thoroughly obnoxious and gratingly inauthentic at the same time. And I know that, when I try to be more “up,” it often causes my energy to become abrasive and distorted; when I am contained, however, even subdued, something subtle and bright can often shine through that.
Probably, my appreciation of Dave’s joyfulness is contingent on getting to know Dave well enough, over twelve years, to see past the ebullient cockney persona, to the essence beneath it, and then to re-see that surface personality as something, like a small child, quite astonishingly genuine and not at all forced or affected. My impression of Dave is that he really is in a state of joy most of the time, and that this is what the life force looks like, fully landed in human form…
Dave started Sunday meet talking about how our life is spent in boxes, from the crib or cradle (or sock drawer, in his case) that we are placed into as babies, to the coffin we go out in. And yet we come from a womb and into a Nature in which no right angles can be found.
He called a number of witnesses to his “case.” The first was “a thing called a person, because I don’t think they exist.” He mentioned how our joints alert us to coming tsunamis, and then called a second witness: words.
Science is rhetoric, he said, persuasive argumentation. When we hear words, however, we are hearing the sounds of our brains, like fax machines firing off coded information. As he encouraged us to tune into the feeling of the marrow inside the bones, once again, I was struck by the irony that Dave’s enlightened consciousness seems focused on almost infinitesimal things that are of so little interest, or even conceivability, to the logical mind. Is this what a body feels like to infinite consciousness, I wonder: a never-ending source of information and meaning? What else would we expect? Aliens, gods, and shiny spaceships?
Everything that ever happened in our bodies is still happening there, over and over again, re-looping. What if we start to study the loops and see what they are constructed of?
Dave called his dog as a witness then, and described how dogs know when their humans are coming home from work, due to an invisible information network of smells. When the dog’s human leaves, they leave behind their scent. During the hours they are gone, the molecules of the scent disperse and the strength of the smell reduces. The dog has a scent-clock that lets it know when the human will return. This may even appear “psychic” to the human, but only because they aren’t tuned in to the sea of olfactory information around them.
Dave’s next witness was the clock but he quickly switched to the heart, a natural keeper of time. Changes in the heartbeat change our perception of time. A slow heart rate means we are relaxed, and that reduces the pressure we feel of the future bearing down on us, compelling us to react.
At that moment, I mentioned to my wife what the vet had said recently about Tuco, our cat lodger: he has an unusually slow heart-rate. The vet was surprised by how calm Tuco was: all the cats that go there are agitated and afraid, but not Tuco. The vet even thought he might be ill!
Right after I said that, Dave used the example of a cat stretching out, supremely relaxed. It was ironic, because Dave says he is not a cat-person.
Dave’s next witness was “Dave’s self.” He recounted how, when he woke up at 5 am June 19 2000, though he remembered his past as “Dave,” he no longer found himself in it, no longer felt that the name or the memories referred to him. The pervasive and persuasive idea of time no longer held him to its storyline.
He talked about a crystallization of mind called self, a concept-bound homunculus. Classification, he said, leads to persecution and imprisonment. It starts with a name and ends with a number. Leaving all classifications behind allows us to read one another in unexpected ways and to merge informationally.
I thought then of Sherlock Holmes, and of his capacity to deduce a wealth of information about a person within moments of meeting them. Dave is like that, except that, like his dog, he doesn’t use logic and deduction so much as an invisible information network around us.
Can two objects occupy the same space he wondered? When two people meet, they are like two atoms that entangle and swap spin. Dave’s dog tunes into the people it meets, and matches them. Meeting is communing.
How seriously do we take our capacity for language? Is there another rhythm of life? (He used this phrase not for the first time; I noticed because it was the name of my brother’s collaboration with Paul Haig in 1981.)
Dave mentioned reading Jean Paul Sartre’s Nausea when he was young and finding it “torture.” For me, at around age nineteen, the book was mildly revelatory: it was one of the first and only times someone had articulated my experience of existence (I had by then already coined a phrase that evoked Sartre’s ennui: “the meaningless pressure of objects”). Perhaps this signifies something about the difference between “Dave” and “Jasun”—about our historical timelines and how we have classified our experiences, and hence our audiences?
Dave says he doesn’t find people when he looks for them, but only bodies that have a strangely fixed identification with their problems. Communication for him is not via words but through shared vibrations. He sees individual humans as akin to individual neurons (an oxymoron?). He asks what experiences truly resonate with us.
There is a way of retaining experiences of living without holding onto them or identifying with them. A kind of positive imprinting, the inversion of trauma. Instead of the indelible effects of shock that cause a thickening of the fascia and a permanently contracted nervous system, it suggests an opening to life and its many layers that allows each moment to go all the way into and through us, to our core, and so become stamped in eternity.
The next online Dave event is Spiritually Taboo: Sexual Energy: Good, Bad and Ugly: Uses, Misuses and Abuses, this Sunday 29 March. His free-of-charge World’s End Party Meet & Greet online event of April 4 is currently 42% full. Book it here.
Coming full circle to the question of the covid-19 virus, I recommend two short essays by Dave on the metaphysical dimensions of the phenomenon:
What would life be like if the concept “COVID-19” had never been created? The intellectualized concept of the virus has a life of its own, altogether different from the life of the actual virus. The actual virus is a humble organism in contrast to the virus concept, which is a huge character on the world stage where the narrative is that David is beating Goliath. However, Goliath is changing our lifestyle, news, healthcare and economics.
Lastly, here’s a video from yesterday depicting our attempts to continue business as usual in our little town as the lockdown rolls across the globe and David Icke’s “totalitarian tiptoe” turns into a quick march:
34 thoughts on “Unseen Life Rhythms: Corona Viral Update & Another Look at Pure Life Force in Action”
Approximately in chronological order as of March 25th.
In official full police-enforced quarantine/lockdown: Hubei + select cities (China – some measures lifted), Italy (hardcore lockdown), Denmark, El Salvador, Albania, Peru, San Marino, Spain (hardcore lockdown), Luzon + Metro Manila (Phillipines), Belgium, Venezuela, Honduras, France, Malaysia (partial lockdown), Tyrol (Austria), Bavaria (Germany), 18 municipalities in Czechia, Colombia, Argentina, Mauritius, Puerto Rico, Croatia, Jordan (curfew), Bolivia, Sao Paulo (Brazil), Morocco, Rwanda, India (all of the country + railways & flights), Kuwait, Guatemala, Libya (incl. curfew), Sindh (Pakistan), Iraq, Greece, Saxony (Germany), 2 cities in Georgia (the country), Saudi Arabia (incl. curfew), 2 cities in Madagascar, New Zealand, Bangkok (Thailand), South Africa (Thursday), Bahamas (24h), UK, Romania, Panama, Phillipines, Mauritius, Mecca + 2 other – Saudi Arabia
Stay-at-home/Shelter-in-place orders in US states/cities (contents of the orders vary!): California, Illinois, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, St. Louis & Kansas City Area – Missouri, Ohio, Philadelphia + 6 other counties – Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Delaware, Honolulu – Hawaii, Michigan, Indiana, West Virginia, Oregon, Knox County – Tennessee, Denver – Colorado, New Mexico, Washington, Atlanta – Georgia, Dallas & Austin + major counties – Texas, Mecklenburg – North Carolina, Orange County & Miami + 1 other – Florida, Charleston – South Carolina
In almost full quarantine/lockdown but not quite (shutting down school, non-essential businesses and stores, etc.): Malta, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Czechia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Latvia, Hungary, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Finland, Austria, Oman, Germany (different restrictions in different states), Israel, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Paraguay (incl. curfew), Canada (most provinces/territories), Portugal, Haiti, Sri Lanka (incl. curfew), Egypt (now with curfew), Turkey but only for ages 65+ (incl. curfew), Serbia (?), Australia (except for schools), Singapore (new measures March 24th), Bermuda, Ireland
US states that are almost locked down but are not quite at shelter-in-place (closed schools, non-essential businesses, etc): Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Massachusetts (order similar to shelter-in-place), Wisconsin (“safe-at-home” order), Maryland
Other countries that have enacted measures (closed down borders, shut down schools, non-essential businesses and stores, etc.) but not to the same extent, include: Japan, North Korea, Palestine, Norway, North Macedonia, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Russia, Iceland, Greenland, Netherlands, USA (varies between states), Uruguay, Indonesia, Pakistan (varies between provinces), Mexico, Namibia, Costa Rica
US states with moderate measures: Alabama, Texas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Tennessee (closed schools), Maine, Alaska (quarantine for incoming), Florida (quarantine for incoming)
Most of the countries above have declared a state of (medical/health/epidemical) emergency/alarm/calamity/disaster/catastrophe, although this activates different measures in different countries.
Other countries that have declared a state of emergency that are not listed above include: Chile, Maldives, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe, Thailand (measures not announced yet)
Herd Immunity strategists (advocates for voluntary “flattening the curve” measures): UK (previously “mitigate” strategy, now on lockdown), Netherlands (school closures, non-essential shops closed), Sweden (recommended school closures, banned large gatherings)
Mainly sourced from Wikipedia and various news articles found on this subreddit and Google. Currently working on a map and compiling a list of sources this week.
Here’s an official source keeping track worldwide government measures: https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/research-projects/oxford-covid-19-government-response-tracker
[Crappy global research link removed; mea culpa]
Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.
The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.
The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.
The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.
Hey Jasun — introduced through Legalise Freedom, love the latest conversation on there…
for what it’s worth I really don’t think the Mike Pompeo thing posted here is at all significant — Trump appears to say “should have let us know”, — even from the tiny snippit of video footage you link to it’s obvious he’s referring to the Chinese government rather than to Pompeo!
Not saying it’s not an exercise, just that this ain’t the smokin gun…
Latest Charles Eisenstein podcast may be of interest…
thanks; I had thought that site was a reasonably serious resource; the other quote seems more relevant anyway; suggests the tanks will be rolling back pretty soon.
We’ve gotten to a point in our history and in this country’s history where it’s hard to discern what’s real because it so resembles what would, in ordinary times, be fairly unreal. Which softens us up for all kinds of propaganda.
Trust the supermarket workers. They know. They are real, ***they are healthy***, they are laughing. Talk to them.
Trust your body, trust your senses, trust the supermarket workers, who are NOT dying like flies.
Just ask. Do not fear them, do not despise them as “proles”.Talk to them.
Uhm… did you read the post and watch the vid?
I don’t have to talk to supermarket workers, I run a thrift store….
I know, Jasun. By supermarket workers I also meant thriftstore workers, real 3d humans everywhere. Humans who live in their bodies.
Thanks for your sanity. We are all fighting a rearguard action against unreality now.
Solidarity and respect
I have the weird feeling the unreality curve has peaked & there will be a rollback of the horror-narrative, with little by way of satisfactory explanation, and that people will be too relieved to want to question the threadbare plot too much, and just come out the theater laughing and dazed and ready for the sequel.
Until they get home and they realize someone stole their purse and wallets while in the theater.
I was really pleased to see you mention Wilhelm Reich recently. He knew the body, the bodymind, the function of the orgasm, the need to breathe, the terror people have to overcome before they can even allow themselves to begin to get real, the trauma behind it all.
He knew Berlin too. I am there now. The city is under near-total lockdown.
I was inspired to post about about the pandemic info wars to get more views:
Hey, Dave. Glad you’re here. I think it ended up on the cutting room floor, but during this hangout J suggested that the enlightenment transmission was bound by what we call spacetime. Would you agree ?
not what I said MB; careful twisting words as I hold all the original docs 😉
Sorry 🙂 I tried to think of a proper analogy here.
It would be like if they closed your dojo due to COVID19. You could still practice aikido in the backyard if you had some classmates willing to break curfew, but it would never be the same as the class gathered in the dojo.
yes, the online meet-ups have a lot of juice, but they wouldn’t have the same trajectory and purpose – the orbit – if they weren’t both built on and leading to AFK gatherings of human bodies in Nature.
What did they talk about in those long, quiet stretches of time of anxiety while in the trenches of WW1? Don’t answer toilet paper!
In the Sinai, they’ve added the threat of imprisonment for breaking the 19:00 – 06:00 curfew (in addition to the fine). They’ve also announced the closure of everything on fridays & saturdays (food shops included) — for another 2 weeks, in spite of the week of lockdown/isolation we’ve already done. They keep adding limiting measures on nearly a daily basis. Until now, there’s no cases of the virus here.
The word in Hope is that there have been three drug-related deaths in the last two days from Fentonol, due to the fact that addicts don’t have access to their usual supply and so are mixing it with harder stuff.
In other local news, an older lady, the opposite of well-to-do, comes into the shop yesterday, says the bank is closing because of people not observing the correct precautions, then says, “They should declare martial law if that’s what it takes.”
Some current perspectives to add to the CV data dump:
“I have just had my regular daily listen to part of the BBC’s Today radio programme. For the past several weeks, the coronavirus has been virtually the only story but today I noticed the balance was about 50-50 coronavirus v. other issues. Also, amazingly, a dissenting voice was given some airtime: a Conservative MP (sorry I don’t remember his name) lamenting that the “herd immunity” approach would probably have been better and that the recession the current approach is going to cause my cost more lives than were saved by the lockdown – pointing to declining life expectancy in deprived parts of the UK. I get the feeling the media is about to change the narrative a little.”
Tim Drayton, quoted in “12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic”: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/
Also, recommended by another commenter:
So I cannot answer my nagging doubts, there does not seem to be anything special about this particular epidemic of influenza-like illness.
~ Tom Jefferson: Professor Dr. Tom Jefferson, British epidemiologist, advisor to the Italian National Agency for Regional Health Services in Rome
Skepticism from the Telegraph, “The PM was panicked into abandoning a sensible Covid-19 strategy, and has plunged society into crisis”:
Oxford-Based [Data research] Group Stops Using WHO Data for Coronavirus Reporting, Citing Errors, March 25, 2020: https://fee.org/articles/oxford-based-group-stops-using-who-data-for-coronavirus-reporting-citing-errors/
More accurate (?) stats from here:
Since 31 December 2019 and as of 25 March 2020, 416 916 cases of COVID-19 (in accordance with the applied case definitions and testing strategies in the affected countries) have been reported, including 18 565 deaths.
Dr. Didier Raoult, MD, PhD, an infectious diseases specialist, is a member of the French scientific committee on COVID-19 (Ministère des Solidarités et de la Santé, 2020). Based on scientific publications, Dr. Raoult ranks first worldwide in Communicable Diseases (Expertscape, 2020). He directs a lab in Marseille, France, where 86 researchers publish 250-350 papers per year (Wikipedia, 2020). Why am I giving you so much information on Dr. Raoult? Because he doesn’t think COVID-19 is a big deal.
Here’s Dr. Raoult, in a video posted March 17 (in French):
From the video:
As of today, there has been 148 [COVID] deaths in France [now 562]. This is not negligible, but it should be put in perspective with what we know. For example, we know there is increased seasonal mortality in this country that we have called ‘flu’ for a long time and that in fact likely represents all sorts of virus-related mortality. […] And if you look at this chart, from current data, in 2017, there was a significant mortality peak, and for now, to get there, we would need 10,000 additional deaths. So 150 extra won’t change the curve.
Looking at weekly mortality in Marseille […] you can see the situation is not especially unusual. There is no extra deaths, so we won’t be seeing extra mortality at the end of the year.
If hospitals have the maximum ability to treat .1 percent of the population but now .2 percent of population need treatment then you get footage of patients dying in the waiting room and thus panic. It is still only .2 percent, not alot, but taken out of context, like every piece of information nowadays, looks like end of world.
Not saying these are real world numbers but making a point. Also, to todays mentality of no risk living, helmets on all children at all times to save that unlucky one in a million accident, this virus looks like a disaster. Controllers gotta control.
Just finished Prisoner of Infinity. Well done. The first half can be used as a self analysis and self healing manual. Anybody with trauma can see themselves as a Whitley. Second half was an interesting deconstruction of the sci fi, new age, occult social narrative. I used to think it was admirable of scientist, authors, artists to keep their childlike curiosity and imagination but now I see them, and most of society, as immature and not able to grow up. Some of the transhumanism excerpts sounded like quotes you would hear in a mental ward. I was losing my taste for the sci fi subject and you probably finished it off. Would like to know your take on Betty Ford, Bob Hope’s alleged sex slave and Henry Kissinger’s human robot spy. She is like the MK Ultra Forrest Gump, not simple wise,but how she was self reported to be in contact with so many cultural figures from 60s and 70s. You, and old age, maybe Dave, have also cured me of the desire to experience other realities. I will cross that river when I die. I figure I was given this reality for a purpose, so don’t reject or try to escape it. Of course, if we are placed here by alien prison guards because we just couldn’t get along out there in the universe, maybe I’ll be let out early on good behavior. If you end up sharing your map of hell I will look forward to reading it. Time to put on that 2nd coat of paint. Wish you well.
thanks JIS – it’s the cure that proves the diagnosis & nothing else so your testimony is worth a hundred five star reviews
Betty Ford, is that Bryce Taylor or did Bob and Henry have more than one sex slave who wrote a memoir? I reference BT in MoH as a way to contrast the seemingly implausible “crazy-paranoid” perspective with the mainstream. It seems to me that the former often more closely maps the reality, even if the proportions are out of whack, and that the latter, tho superficially well-constructed and “reliable,” is offering not a map of reality but (like Hollywood’s suspension of disbelief), a map *instead* of reality.
Ah yes. I thought she had an alias for some reason. Read large parts of her book when pizza gate broke. It is a dark hole to go down and most people have trouble considering the ramifications that that’s not grandma in bed.
Since there is nothing happening but joke-telling and complaining. I’d like to point out that the Swedes are going in the opposite direction.
No one seems interested in the Anti-Christ prepping around the corner…
“they ought to be more careful; they’re setting a bad example” (talking heads, “animals”)
what’s the ref to AC doing there? are you trying to bait the quarantined christians?
I don’t want them to be caught with their pants down by missing the signs. That would be unfair, not to mention unChristian, since we are all one sticky rice.
Christians have been predicting the current biometric lockdown since the 80s at least; maybe they take it as a given that AC is here, in spirit if not body – “an invisible enemy” that is everywhere & nowhere…?
what specifically are you referring to?
The son of a political dynasty, after his father declared COVID-19 to be harmless, will die horribly from the infection, only to miraculously resurrect. The citizens of lockdown nations will cry out for immunizations purportedly based on his blood. Fill in the gaps. I have a cave waiting.
Drop your pants for the vaccine. Dave is just giving us something to do so we stop asking from the back seat “Are we there yet?”
They might be siphoning off, simultaneous with injecting.
Invitation to a Brainstorm: Divide & Conquer, Corona-Style: https://auticulture.com/invitation-to-a-brainstorm/
“When two people meet, they are like two atoms that entangle and swap spin. Dave’s dog tunes into the people it meets, and matches them. Meeting is communing.”
It’s amazing how many people I don’t want to commune with. Especially if they insist on their personas.
Correction. Particularly if I know them well.