The Liminalist # 164: An Encounter with the Self (with Martin Jolly)

On-set conversation with Martin Jolly on Dave Oshana, an orientation towards the wholesome, subjective & objective impressions of Dave, Oshana retreats, the issue of language, a critical toolset, the problem of the teachings, a developing sense of enlightenment, a perfected methodology, ancestral consciousness, the retreat space, amplifying the signal of the soul, an encounter with the self, the presence of the departed, a configuration of love, George de la Tour, Milton of the Devil’s Party, the problem of depicting goodness, love & light via the darkness, addressing a collective wound, the writer & the pen, accepting the limited self, the persona as a mask, the body as mediator for the true self, abhorrence of the body, where psychic entities live, Dave’s subtle effect, the softest touch of enlightenment, awareness of the transitory, the cruelty and the comfort, the luxury of distraction, counterfeit compassion, cowboy & fool: two modes of perception, focused & unfocused awareness, Dave’s charisma, the attraction of authenticity, the space created by Dave’s passivity, counteracting the teacher-student dynamic, addressing transference, reducing awe, teaching to relax.

Songs: “Quite a Light Show,” by Party People in the Can; “Though the Light Seem Small” by Art of Flying; “Oh Kiss No” & “Blinde State,” by My Bubba & Mi.

5 thoughts on “The Liminalist # 164: An Encounter with the Self (with Martin Jolly)”

  1. “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in (the midst of) them.”

    I never thought that Jasun was too critical, only that his heart was too big.

    That was very intimate. Thanks guys.

  2. You may or may not remember a virtual room we shared briefly some time ago when I attended an online Dave Oshana seminar to see what it was like, and I outlined very similar feelings as you describe in this podcast regarding a loss of ambition or desire for writing (or making film or any form of art) and/or an inability to express what felt most true to me any more. Partially this loss was as a result of realising that so much work is produced as a reaction to darkness – the gothic spice – and that peace and love and encounter with self does not generate the same impetus to express (nor realistically do they generate much interest in an audience who wants anguish and angst). Who am I trying to be and is it important in any way? Those kind of wonderings. Fundamentally at the core I do wonder if there is a substantial clinging to an identity as a ”writer” or creative, that causes this schism, doubt and hesitation, and that thus the crisis or confusion arises to force surrender. But anyways apart from all that, you may or may not remember Dave’s response at the time – ”Well, God is not a film maker.” 🙂

    • I actually don’t recall this but it’s very interesting to hear it. How long ago was it?

      I dream about looking at footage I have shot from my life frequently. I wonder, if God is not a filmmaker, maybe the ego is?


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